With the news that MotoAmerica is headed to Daytona International Speedway in March of 2022 for the Daytona 200, we decided the perfect way to build excitement for the event would be to start digging through the history books and memory banks. Since Paul Carruthers is literally as old as the Speedway itself and covered almost 30 Daytona 200s as a journalist while working at Cycle News, it was a no-brainer that it would be him who would take on the task of trying to recall the good and the bad. And since we are the home of the AMA Superbike Series, we figured we’d have him start his look back with the 1985 Daytona 200 – the first of the 200s to feature Superbikes – and go from there. This week, we focus on the 1991, 1992 and 1993 Daytona 200s.
1991
Winner: Miguel Duhamel, Honda RC30
Miguel Duhamel didn’t even have plans to compete in the Daytona 200 in 1991 much less winning it. Drafted in as replacement for the injured Randy Renfrow, Duhamel made the most of the opportunity given to him by Commonwealth Honda team owner Martin Adams as he put the Camel-backed Honda out front for 32 of the 57 laps and stormed to a 10.290-second victory.
The Turning Point: Fast By Ferracci’s Doug Polen was the fastest of the fast all week at Daytona International Speedway, but the polesitter was out of the race on the opening lap of the 200 when his Ducati threw a chain. Polen earned pole position with his 1:53.638/112.779 mph lap on Wednesday of Bike Week and it was the first for Ducati at Daytona and the first pole position for a non-Japanese motorcycle since England’s Paul Smart put his Triumph on pole in 1971.
Newsworthy: Duhamel beat the Vance & Hines Yamahas of Jamie James and Thomas Stevens. Duhamel’s teammate Rich Arnaiz was fourth, despite riding with a broken finger and a badly battered left hand, with Muzzy Kawasaki’s Scott Russell finishing fifth.
Six riders took a turn at leading the 200, helping make the 50th running of the race one of the most exciting in recent memory. In addition to Duhamel, James, Tom Kipp, Steven and Arnaiz all led at some point in the race.
Duhamel’s winning average speed was only 93.471 mph as some 13 laps were run behind a pace car and under caution flags.
Duhamel not only won the Daytona 200, but he also came out of the 600cc Supersport race with a victory. “It feels great to win Daytona,” the 23-year-old French Canadian said. “The names that come to your head are Freddie Spencer and Kevin (Schwantz) and those guys. I can’t believe I’m here. I can’t believe I won this race. This is the greatest feeling you can have.”
1992
Winner: Scott Russell, Kawasaki ZX-7R
The man who would go on to be known simply as “Mr. Daytona” won his first Daytona 200 in 1992, the Georgian winning a near photo finish over Fast By Ferracci’s World Superbike Champion Doug Polen. Russell won the race with a record average speed of 110.669 mph to best Polen by just .182 of a second.
The Turning Point: As has been the case in a zillion races at Daytona International Speedway, the race came down to the final lap with Russell following Polen through the chicane and setting himself up for a slingshot pass just before the finish line.
Newsworthy: As the 110.669 mph average speed shows, the pace car was never needed in the 1992 edition of the Daytona 200.
The crowd for the 51st running of the Daytona 200 was estimated to be 40,000.
With Polen finishing a close second to Russell, third place went to another Georgian – Mike Smith – in what was his debut race on the Camel-backed Commonwealth Honda RC30.
“I knew coming into this race that I could win if everything went well,” Russell said. “I’m glad we put on a show for the fans and for the finish to be that close. It was pretty exciting.”
Doug Polen smashed the track record at Daytona during Wednesday’s qualifying with the Texan lapping at 1:50.388 on the 3.56-mile road course. His lap was three seconds faster than his pole setting lap from the year before. His qualifying session was cut short when he crashed the Fast By Ferracci Ducati in turn one, escaping without injury.
An 18-year-old Texan by the name of Colin Edwards won the International Lightweight (250cc) race in his Bike Week debut at Daytona. Third place went to another 18-year-old making his AMA professional debut – Kenny Roberts Jr. on the Wayne Rainey Racing Otsuka Electronics Yamaha.
Miguel Duhamel, the winner of the 1991 Daytona 200, was contesting the 500cc World Championship and didn’t compete at Daytona in 1992. Although Miguel Duhamel wasn’t racing at Daytona, his father Yvon certainly was. The elder Duhamel won the BMW-sponsored Battle of the Legends race, which was held in conjunction with the AHRMA Classics Day.
1993
Winner: Eddie Lawson, Yamaha FZR750RR OW-01
Four-time 500cc World Champion Eddie Lawson came out of his brief retirement to win the 52nd running of the Daytona 200, the Californian besting 1992 Daytona 200 winner Scott Russell on the run to the flag by just .051 of a second on his Vance & Hines Yamaha FZR750RR OW-01.
The Turning Point: For the first time in Daytona 200 history, the leaders actually stopped for new tires on three occasions. As it turns out, the first four finishers all needed three sets of rear tires to go the distance at the pace they were running. When Lawson pitted for a third rear tire, it looked like the race would go to Russell as he led by 36 seconds on the 49th of 57 laps. But just when it appeared Lawson’s hopes were dashed, Russell was also forced to get a third rear tire.
Newsworthy: With Lawson barely beating Russell for the victory, third place went to Miguel Duhamel on the second Muzzy Kawasaki. Duhamel’s third place meant that all three of the riders in Victory Lane were former winners of the Daytona 200. Lawson previously won in 1986, Duhamel won in 1991 and Russell had tasted victory in 1992.
Lawson pleaded ignorance when asked what Dunlop rear tire had been fitted on their bikes in their final stops. “I don’t know,” Lawson deadpanned. “It had yellow letters on it, and it was black.”
The race was marred by the death of AMA road racing fixture Jimmy Adamo, who suffered his fatal crash on the sixth lap of the 200. The 36-year-old’s death was just the fourth motorcycle-racing-related fatality in Daytona International Speedway history.
Following his second-place finish in 200, Russell was slated to head to Europe to contest the 1993 World Superbike Championship.
Russell smashed Doug Polen’s one-year-old lap record at Daytona when he ripped off a 1:50.194 lap in Thursday’s qualifying session. Polen ended up qualifying second for the race while Lawson’s Yamaha blew an engine during qualifying, forcing him to start on the back row for his Twin 50 qualifier.
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The DeepSeek Ancestral Tree: From V3 to R1
DeepSeek isn’t just a single design; it’s a household of progressively sophisticated AI systems. The evolution goes something like this:
DeepSeek V2:
This was the structure design which leveraged a mixture-of-experts architecture, where only a subset of specialists are used at inference, dramatically enhancing the processing time for each token. It also included multi-head latent attention to reduce memory footprint.
DeepSeek V3:
This design presented FP8 training strategies, which assisted drive down training expenses by over 42.5% compared to previous models. FP8 is a less accurate way to save weights inside the LLMs but can considerably improve the memory footprint. However, training utilizing FP8 can generally be unsteady, and it is hard to obtain the wanted training results. Nevertheless, DeepSeek uses numerous tricks and attains remarkably steady FP8 training. V3 set the stage as a highly efficient model that was currently affordable (with claims of being 90% less expensive than some closed-source options).
DeepSeek R1-Zero:
With V3 as the base, the group then presented R1-Zero, the very first reasoning-focused model. Here, the focus was on teaching the design not just to produce responses but to “believe” before addressing. Using pure reinforcement learning, the model was motivated to create intermediate reasoning actions, for instance, taking additional time (frequently 17+ seconds) to work through a simple issue like “1 +1.”
The crucial innovation here was using group relative policy optimization (GROP). Instead of counting on a traditional process reward design (which would have needed annotating every action of the thinking), GROP compares several outputs from the design. By tasting numerous possible responses and scoring them (utilizing rule-based measures like specific match for math or validating code outputs), the system finds out to favor reasoning that results in the correct outcome without the need for specific supervision of every intermediate idea.
DeepSeek R1:
Recognizing that R1-Zero’s without supervision technique produced thinking outputs that might be tough to check out and even blend languages, the developers went back to the drawing board. They used the raw outputs from R1-Zero to create “cold start” information and after that manually curated these examples to filter and improve the quality of the thinking. This human post-processing was then used to tweak the original DeepSeek V3 model further-combining both reasoning-oriented support learning and supervised fine-tuning. The outcome is DeepSeek R1: a design that now produces understandable, coherent, and dependable thinking while still maintaining the efficiency and cost-effectiveness of its predecessors.
What Makes R1 Series Special?
The most interesting aspect of R1 (absolutely no) is how it developed reasoning abilities without specific supervision of the thinking process. It can be further enhanced by utilizing cold-start data and supervised reinforcement learning to produce understandable reasoning on general tasks. Here’s what sets it apart:
Open Source & Efficiency:
R1 is open source, allowing researchers and designers to inspect and build upon its innovations. Its cost effectiveness is a significant selling point specifically when compared to closed-source models (claimed 90% cheaper than OpenAI) that need massive compute spending plans.
Novel Training Approach:
Instead of relying entirely on annotated reasoning (which is both pricey and time-consuming), the model was trained using an outcome-based method. It began with easily proven tasks, such as math problems and coding workouts, where the accuracy of the last answer might be quickly determined.
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Overthinking?
An interesting observation is that DeepSeek R1 sometimes “overthinks” easy problems. For example, when asked “What is 1 +1?” it might invest nearly 17 seconds assessing different scenarios-even thinking about binary representations-before concluding with the proper response. This self-questioning and verification process, although it may seem ineffective at first glance, could show beneficial in intricate tasks where deeper reasoning is essential.
Prompt Engineering:
Traditional few-shot prompting techniques, which have actually worked well for numerous chat-based models, can really break down efficiency with R1. The developers recommend utilizing direct problem declarations with a zero-shot method that specifies the output format plainly. This makes sure that the design isn’t led astray by extraneous examples or tips that might disrupt its internal reasoning procedure.
Getting Started with R1
For those aiming to experiment:
Smaller versions (7B-8B) can work on consumer GPUs or even just CPUs
Larger variations (600B) require substantial compute resources
Available through significant cloud providers
Can be released in your area through Ollama or vLLM
Looking Ahead
We’re especially captivated by several implications:
The potential for this method to be applied to other reasoning domains
Effect on agent-based AI systems generally constructed on chat models
Possibilities for integrating with other guidance techniques
Implications for business AI deployment
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Open Questions
How will this affect the advancement of future reasoning models?
Can this approach be reached less verifiable domains?
What are the ramifications for multi-modal AI systems?
We’ll be viewing these developments carefully, particularly as the community starts to try out and develop upon these strategies.
Resources
Join our Slack neighborhood for ongoing discussions and updates about DeepSeek and other AI developments. We’re seeing remarkable applications currently emerging from our bootcamp participants dealing with these models.
Chat with DeepSeek:
https://www.deepseek.com/
Papers:
DeepSeek LLM
DeepSeek-V2
DeepSeek-V3
DeepSeek-R1
Blog Posts:
The Illustrated DeepSeek-R1
DeepSeek-R1 Paper Explained
DeepSeek R1 – a short summary
Cloud Providers:
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Q&A
Q1: Which model deserves more attention – DeepSeek or Qwen2.5 Max?
A: While Qwen2.5 is likewise a strong design in the open-source neighborhood, the choice ultimately depends on your use case. DeepSeek R1 stresses sophisticated reasoning and a novel training method that might be specifically important in tasks where verifiable logic is vital.
Q2: Why did significant providers like OpenAI opt for monitored fine-tuning instead of reinforcement knowing (RL) like DeepSeek?
A: We need to note upfront that they do utilize RL at least in the type of RLHF. It is most likely that designs from major service providers that have thinking capabilities already use something similar to what DeepSeek has done here, however we can’t make certain. It is likewise likely that due to access to more resources, they favored supervised fine-tuning due to its stability and the ready availability of big annotated datasets. Reinforcement learning, although effective, can be less foreseeable and harder to manage. DeepSeek’s technique innovates by applying RL in a reasoning-oriented manner, enabling the design to find out reliable internal thinking with only minimal process annotation – a technique that has shown appealing in spite of its complexity.
Q3: Did DeepSeek utilize test-time compute techniques similar to those of OpenAI?
A: DeepSeek R1’s design highlights performance by leveraging techniques such as the mixture-of-experts technique, which activates just a subset of parameters, to lower calculate throughout inference. This focus on effectiveness is main to its expense benefits.
Q4: What is the difference in between R1-Zero and R1?
A: R1-Zero is the initial model that discovers reasoning exclusively through reinforcement knowing without explicit procedure supervision. It generates intermediate thinking actions that, while sometimes raw or combined in language, serve as the foundation for knowing. DeepSeek R1, on the other hand, improves these outputs through human post-processing and supervised fine-tuning. In essence, R1-Zero supplies the without supervision “trigger,” and R1 is the sleek, more meaningful variation.
Q5: How can one remain upgraded with thorough, technical research while handling a busy schedule?
A: Remaining current involves a mix of actively engaging with the research study community (like AISC – see link to sign up with slack above), following preprint servers like arXiv, going to relevant conferences and webinars, and taking part in discussion groups and newsletters. Continuous engagement with online communities and collective research study projects also plays an essential function in keeping up with technical developments.
Q6: In what use-cases does DeepSeek outshine designs like O1?
A: The short answer is that it’s too early to tell. DeepSeek R1’s strength, however, depends on its robust thinking abilities and its effectiveness. It is particularly well suited for jobs that require verifiable logic-such as mathematical issue resolving, code generation, and structured decision-making-where intermediate reasoning can be reviewed and validated. Its open-source nature further permits for tailored applications in research study and enterprise settings.
Q7: What are the implications of DeepSeek R1 for business and start-ups?
A: The open-source and affordable design of DeepSeek R1 lowers the entry barrier for releasing advanced language models. Enterprises and start-ups can utilize its advanced reasoning for agentic applications ranging from automated code generation and customer support to information analysis. Its versatile deployment options-on customer hardware for smaller sized models or cloud platforms for bigger ones-make it an attractive option to exclusive solutions.
Q8: Will the design get stuck in a loop of “overthinking” if no correct response is found?
A: While DeepSeek R1 has actually been observed to “overthink” basic problems by checking out multiple thinking paths, it incorporates stopping requirements and evaluation mechanisms to avoid unlimited loops. The support learning framework encourages merging toward a proven output, even in uncertain cases.
Q9: Is DeepSeek V3 entirely open source, and is it based on the Qwen architecture?
A: Yes, DeepSeek V3 is open source and served as the structure for later models. It is developed on its own set of innovations-including the mixture-of-experts approach and FP8 training-and is not based on the Qwen architecture. Its design emphasizes performance and expense decrease, setting the stage for the reasoning developments seen in R1.
Q10: How does DeepSeek R1 carry out on vision tasks?
A: DeepSeek R1 is a text-based design and does not include vision capabilities. Its style and training focus exclusively on language processing and thinking.
Q11: Can professionals in specialized fields (for instance, labs dealing with remedies) use these techniques to train domain-specific designs?
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